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What Diary of a CEO says about motivation & discipline

Everything Diary of a CEO and guests said about motivation & discipline across 35 episodes — each point linked to the exact second on YouTube. Sourced expert opinion, not medical advice.

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Horvath's wife Anna was diagnosed with a terminal illness in September 2013, prompting him to step down as CEO and move back to New Hampshire to care for her.
00:57:37Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Anna, an artist, worked in her studio until nearly her last day on projects she knew she would never finish, motivated by the experience rather than the outcome.
01:00:12Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Horvath returned to lead Strava in November 2019 during a cash crunch, calling himself 'the least bad of all the bad options.'
01:09:30Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
His first day back leading the company required laying off about 32 of roughly 200 employees before unveiling the turnaround plan the next day.
01:13:39Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
After Anna's death he initially imagined his purpose was 'rescuing people,' but realized that was trying to fill the hole in his heart; he found purpose through Strava instead.
01:21:29Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
'I don't at all subscribe to the idea that I saved Strava, but Strava saved me.'
01:12:38Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Strava launched web-only in 2009 with heavy friction, missing the mobile wave that competitors caught.
00:55:33Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Horvath moved from Sweden to the US at age 5, not speaking English and learning it from television.
00:02:04Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
As a Stanford economics professor in the mid-90s, he had sent only one email in his life before the internet was introduced to his department.
00:21:18Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Early web companies told Horvath and Gainey their fitness-sharing idea was terrible and people would never share personal data with strangers online.
00:23:23Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Strava segments originated from Dave 'Davey' Kitchel, who was using GPS to compare his bike climb times up a road near his house.
00:26:30Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
After launching a basic mobile app, Strava jumped from adding ~100 athletes a week to 10,000 a day, then 100,000 in a day after being featured in the App Store.
00:54:00Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
MapMyFitness was acquired by Under Armour and Runtastic by Adidas, yet none of these acquirers ever approached Strava.
00:51:55Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Strava doubled from 50 million to roughly 99 million registered athletes during the pandemic.
01:11:35Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Strava data shows the key change in users is not getting faster but becoming more consistent and regularly active.
00:28:36Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Horvath cites cooking for friends and family as a core creative outlet and part of his identity outside the company.
01:18:51Michael Horvath · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2022
Izadi developed a binge eating disorder, using food as a drug without realizing it at the time.
00:03:36Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
She secretly got a gastric band fitted, then had to have it removed by emergency surgery.
00:04:07Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
Her therapist asked 'what if you never change?', which triggered her breakthrough to stop putting life on hold.
00:09:21Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
She kept having the band tightened on purpose because she didn't want to be allowed to overeat, viewing it as self-punishment.
00:42:22Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
When told the band had to be removed, she burst into tears of joy because she hated the lying, shame and guilt.
00:43:56Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
Her mission is for diet-driven binge eating, powerlessness and lack of trust to 'die with my generation'.
00:55:24Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
Her stammer was a trauma response from childhood, and self-compassion work has largely calmed it.
00:48:39Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
She did an undergrad in psychosocial sciences in Norwich, a postgrad in psychology, then worked for the NHS in substance misuse in Northwest London.
00:01:33Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
Born in North London to Iranian parents who came during the revolution; her first language is Farsi.
00:02:36Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
In the 1990s, GPs would put bullied overweight children on diets as standard practice.
00:06:42Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
A key reason people fail at change is fixating on the long-term outcome instead of the in-the-moment conversation with themselves.
00:12:25Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
She uses the analogy of denying a child a daily treat: expect the crying, hold compassion and firmness, repeat until it's easy.
00:33:06Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
To resist late-night Deliveroo orders she deletes the app and removes saved card and address details to add friction.
00:35:42Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
She used to sleep in her gym kit to remove friction from exercising.
00:36:13Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
She writes down anxious predictions and reviews them later as evidence that feared outcomes rarely happen.
00:48:39Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
Before big podcasts she writes herself a letter preempting the post-event second-guessing, 'playing the tape forward' as in addiction work.
00:50:11Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
During lockdown she gained weight without judgment and saw it as a valuable lesson that body fluctuation didn't matter.
00:51:43Shahroo Izadi · The Diary of a CEO · Feb 2023
Once habits are formed they are encoded in the brain forever and can never be fully removed, only replaced.
00:04:38Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
In the rat study the original habit had never really been forgotten; the brain can instantly toggle back to an old habit.
00:12:51Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Rule one: stress is your puppet master, and keeping stress low is critical for forming new habits.
00:16:26Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Rule two: know your cues, and major life changes like moving cities are ideal moments to break old habits.
00:28:53Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Rule three: don't focus on stopping bad habits, focus on replacing them with a new action.
00:31:31Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Rule four: you need a better, intrinsic reason to quit, not a shallow extrinsic one.
00:36:10Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Rule five: willpower is a finite muscle that depletes, so fewer and smaller goals succeed more often.
00:40:49Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Bonus rule six: the question-behavior effect, asking yes/no questions, drives lasting behavior change.
00:47:33Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Of the 41% of Americans who make a New Year's resolution, only 9% successfully keep it by year's end.
00:01:32Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Six months after setting a resolution, 46% of people are still successful, versus just 4% for non-resolution goals.
00:02:35Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Habits are stored in the basal ganglia, a golf-ball-sized lump of tissue Bartlett calls the habit control center.
00:05:39Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Researchers poisoned the reward chocolate to cause nausea, yet rats still ran the same route through the maze.
00:11:51Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
A clinical-nutrition study found high-glycemic milkshakes spiked then crashed blood sugar, triggering addiction-related brain activity.
00:18:30Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
The Stanford marshmallow experiment tracked children 40+ years, linking delayed gratification to better life outcomes.
00:21:37Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Lack of sleep lowers leptin (fullness) and boosts ghrelin (hunger), promoting fat storage and poor food choices.
00:25:44Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
A 2010 study found behavior change took an average of 66 days, ranging from 20 to 250 days.
00:35:38Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
In the cookie-vs-radish study, radish eaters with depleted willpower quit an impossible puzzle 60% sooner than cookie eaters.
00:41:50Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
The question-behavior effect works best when administered via computer or paper survey requiring a yes/no answer.
00:49:06Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Dec 2022
Ali admits he pursued medicine largely for prestige and status rather than a genuine desire to save lives.
00:05:41Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
His career tipping point was his 81st video, an evidence-based 'how to study for exams' video that went viral and exploded his subscriber count.
00:13:21Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali confesses he never worked out consistently until he hired a personal trainer, outsourcing his willpower to accountability.
00:19:01Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali reveals he quit plans to move to America for medicine (the USMLE path), and his mother still calls him a quitter for it.
00:44:57Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali openly discusses relationship struggles, his self-image as a 'weedy nerd kid,' and tension between being himself and acting more 'alpha.'
00:57:23Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Steven shares that his fitness only stuck once he stopped working out for women and made health an intrinsic, daily, goal-free habit.
01:02:33Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali argues his counterfactual impact as a YouTuber inspiring people into medicine is greater than his impact as just another UK doctor.
01:28:15Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali was born in Karachi in 1994, his parents divorced when he was two, and he grew up in landlocked Lesotho before moving to the UK in 2003.
00:02:37Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
As a young teen he lied about his age on PayPal, claiming to be 18 at 13, to earn $5 freelance graphic design jobs.
00:03:38Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali claims making one video a week for two years will '100% guarantee' it changes your life, even if he can't predict the numbers.
00:16:29Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
He cites Seth Godin's 'have to vs get to' reframe, sparked by a 13-hour shift where he had to put in a difficult cannula.
00:31:28Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Ali uses the 'daily highlight' from Make Time but admits only about a 50% success rate at actually doing it each morning.
00:48:06Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
The core of learning is testing yourself (active recall) and spaced repetition, not consuming more information.
00:49:38Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Steven frames time as roughly 500,000 free 'chips' (hours) a human gets in life, to be spent intentionally.
01:09:45Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
The Against Malaria Foundation can statistically save a life for roughly 2,000-3,000 pounds in bed nets, per effective altruism analysis.
01:26:43Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
A quote attributed to J.P. Morgan: a man always has two reasons for doing something, a good reason and the real reason.
01:32:21Ali Abdaal · The Diary of a CEO · Aug 2021
Chopra claims the separate self is a 'socially induced hallucination' that doesn't exist and is the source of anxiety, anger, and trauma.
00:06:14Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He calls depression, not COVID, 'the number one pandemic of our time.'
00:07:15Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
His grandfather died suddenly the night after taking young Deepak to a carnival, triggering an existential crisis at age six.
00:38:33Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He describes resuscitating a patient, then going outside to smoke and drink, and that night quitting both to ask 'who am I.'
00:40:39Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He says he interviewed Caltech physicist Sean Carroll, who believes there are infinite universes.
00:45:48Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chopra says he stopped debating, including a debate with Richard Dawkins in Mexico, because nobody ever changes their mind.
01:06:39Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He says Microsoft demonstrated a system coming soon called Prometheus, 'Way Beyond chat GPT,' that could put physicians out of business.
01:16:38Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chopra says merely telling a patient 'you had cancer' visibly raises blood pressure, heart rate, and makes platelets sticky.
00:04:11Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He cites Dutch famine descendants developing diabetes generations later as evidence of intergenerational epigenetic memory.
00:17:47Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He describes a Hawaii cattle farm where descendant cows still won't cross where electric fences once stood.
00:18:18Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Alzheimer's involves amyloid accumulation; about 40 genes predispose to it but only three are fully penetrant.
00:20:58Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He cites lack of sleep as the number one predictor of premature death from cardiovascular disease.
00:35:58Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He outlines the happiness equation H = S + C + V (set point ~50%, conditions ~10%, voluntary choices ~40%).
00:54:39Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He describes limbic resonance, regulation, and revision as the neuroscience behind deep empathetic listening.
01:00:24Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
His son Gotham built Religion of Sport with Tom Brady, winning five Emmys, despite not being a strong student.
01:05:07Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chopra lays out his nine-step creativity process ending in 'incarnation.'
01:12:24Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He describes the four 25-year ashram stages of life in his tradition, now being in the fourth: self-realization.
00:43:11Deepak Chopra · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chris reveals he secretly trained a language model ('Chrisbot') on 250 of his podcast episodes and every blog post he ever wrote.
00:11:22Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chrisbot's answer prompts a real decision: Chris commits to reaching out to Iman Gadzhi via a mutual friend to book him on the show.
00:11:54Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chris discloses he suffered with anxiety and depression, mostly depression, throughout his 20s, sometimes bed-bound for days at a time.
01:06:48Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He says fixing his broken sleep pattern resolved a huge amount of his depression, which he had largely been mistaking for sleep deprivation.
01:07:49Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Reflecting on his Diary of a CEO visit, he says watching Steven Bartlett's team convinced him to relinquish some control and delegate.
00:30:33Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chris breaks down his income sources: the podcast, UK rental properties, an S&P tracker ISA, and 'pennies' from Amazon affiliates.
01:36:49Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He gives his core antidote to social anxiety: no one cares what you're doing, you barely exist in anyone else's universe.
00:00:00Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Chris is a self-described 'complete Croc convert' and says his ideal two-shoe lineup is Crocs and Vans.
00:15:29Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He is good friends with Zane Navratil, the current world number-three ranked men's pickleball player, who he calls 'unplayable'.
00:42:53Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He argues morning coffee is pointless because the adenosine system isn't active in the first 90 minutes, preferring LMNT first thing.
01:38:52Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
The Stephen Shaw episode on population collapse was the conversation that most shifted his worldview in the past year.
00:10:51Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He notes his rise was slow, taking half a decade and 600-plus episodes, contrasting with Brett Cooper hitting two million subs in a year.
00:54:18Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Rather than buying a Rolex or sports car, he flew his whole team and friends to Vegas for a David Goggins trip with Cirque du Soleil.
01:27:33Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He uses the Zeigarnik effect, leaving a sentence half-finished at day's end so it's easier to restart writing the next morning.
00:25:50Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
He cites research that life-satisfaction gains plateau around $70-80k, with each doubling beyond giving smaller returns.
00:26:54Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
The question he left for the next Diary of a CEO guest, borrowed from George Mack: what overlooked topic will historians study?
01:34:45Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
The Chrisbot was built by Zachary and Miguel from aiship.co.
01:41:28Chris Williamson · The Diary of a CEO · Apr 2023
Peters splits self-image into the rational 'human' circuits we control and the emotional 'chimp' circuits we don't, so we get two competing self-images from two brain systems.
00:13:26Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Whatever good character traits you'd write as your ideal self ARE actually you (the human), it's neuroscience not aspiration; the chimp interferes so the world sees something different.
00:25:53Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
The chimp model is explicitly NOT an excuse model: you are 100% responsible for managing your chimp and apologizing when it behaves badly.
00:27:55Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
In psychopaths the 'human' is the unpleasant, power-driven part and the chimp can be the nicer one, proving the model isn't simply good-guy vs bad-guy.
00:29:30Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Heartbreak grief follows a roughly 12-week emotional process the chimp brain must complete; the human brain can accept it in seconds but cannot speed up the chimp.
00:36:17Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Speaking thoughts out loud lets the chimp express while the human listens and rationalizes, which Peters says is the underlying basis of why therapies work.
00:47:38Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Peters argues there is no such thing as fear of failure, only fear of not being able to deal with the consequences of failure, which is something you can actually address.
01:10:13Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
The rational 'human' circuitry (dorsolateral prefrontal cortex) only develops around age two, which is why we have no memory before then.
00:16:01Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Peters named it the chimp paradox after specialists confirmed the chimpanzee brain's relevant circuitry is almost identical to ours, unlike other great apes.
00:17:32Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
The need for approval comes from the chimp's survival fear of being excluded from the troop, where in the wild exclusion means death by predator.
00:20:11Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Peters cites a loose statistic that 80% of people approve of you, 20% love you, 60% just approve, and 20% are simply not pleasant.
00:22:46Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Short bursts of noradrenaline from stress are healthy and thrilling, but chronically high noradrenaline and cortisol become damaging to the body.
00:53:18Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Roughly one in eight people have alcohol disorders that physically change the brain, producing cravings that mean they must abstain entirely.
00:57:56Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Alcohol disables the rational human circuits, leaving the impulsive chimp fully in charge of decision-making.
01:00:58Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Sitting on the end of the bed and deciding the day will be good primes the computer with beliefs so the chimp is reminded not to stress over setbacks.
01:11:46Steve Peters · The Diary of a CEO · Sep 2021
Rich frames addiction as living on a broad spectrum, from substances to phones to relationships, all forms of distracting ourselves from discomfort.
00:09:56Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
His first marriage ended on the honeymoon, which he describes as his emotional bottom as an alcoholic.
00:19:50Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
His parents, on counsel from Al-Anon, told him to cut ties until he was ready to get sober, which became catalytic for his recovery.
00:22:25Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
After rehab he spent roughly 10 years people-pleasing as a corporate lawyer before a second rock bottom around age 40.
00:39:33Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
A health scare, unable to climb a flight of stairs without wheezing despite being a former world-ranked swimmer, broke his denial.
00:49:57Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
His transformation began with a seven-day juice cleanse designed to mimic the discomfort of detox, then going entirely plant-based for 16 years.
01:02:53Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
He did the podcast for years as an unmonetized hobby while nearly losing his house and having cars repossessed.
01:18:32Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
Rich's current mission is learning to let go of striving and step into a place of allowing rather than self-willed suffering.
01:26:58Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
Rich got into Harvard and Princeton but chose Stanford partly for its number-one collegiate swimming program.
00:16:42Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
He lived in a rehab facility for 100 days starting September 1998.
00:38:01Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
He argues we overestimate what we can do in a year and underestimate what we can do in a decade.
00:47:25Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
Steven describes a book chapter on time, noting a 35-year-old has roughly 17,000 days left.
00:56:40Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
About six months into running, Rich spontaneously ran the better part of a marathon (24 miles) despite never being a runner.
01:06:02Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
He distinguished himself in Ultraman, a three-day double Ironman race, inspired by reading about David Goggins doing it around 2006.
01:07:04Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
His wife Julie was the strength who refused to let him quit and return to law during years of financial hardship.
01:18:01Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
Steven reveals he will play at Old Trafford for the Soccer Aid charity match in June and trains four times a week.
01:25:22Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
Rich admits he was a control-freak perfectionist who tried to do everything himself until building a staff prevented burnout.
01:31:02Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
The episode's closing tradition has each guest leave a question for the next; Rich would call his 18-year-old self to say it's okay to be who you are.
01:38:13Rich Roll · The Diary of a CEO · Jun 2023
Bartlett breaks his five-year cycle of getting fit for summer then losing motivation by realizing his goal was extrinsic ('look good for summer') and re-anchoring it to intrinsic, time-frame-free motivations.
00:02:04Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Nov 2020
He admits that at 18 his entire life was centered on getting 'filthy rich' at the expense of everything, leaving him a self-diagnosed recluse who hated empty weekends.
00:14:25Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Nov 2020
He reframes a friend's burnout as a purpose problem caused by a purely extrinsic definition of success (money, car, house).
00:24:42Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Nov 2020
He reveals the day he truly achieved his Range Rover goal was three years later when he sold it and no longer needed it for validation.
00:33:28Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Nov 2020
Now technically unemployed after leaving Social Chain, he says the global travel and stage-pitching life he once loved now repulses him because the shared mission is gone.
00:35:30Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Nov 2020
He shares controversial views that marriage is a 'broken' construct and that humans may not be innately monogamous.
00:43:18Stephen Bartlett · The Diary of a CEO · Nov 2020

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